The huge ideathread

[niro]

Well guys and girls. Let's get some ideas rolling about the very lovely fairy tail supplement. (And I would like to apologize in advance for poor grammar or spelling. Hopefully you guys can understand what I want to say/write)

So let's see. I would imagine that the major magic types we should dive into are dragonslayer, Exquip, creation and celestial spirits since they are what are used by fan favorites (or so I at least think)


Over the weekend I have been brainstorming a bit on the dragonslayers and looking on what Traumatizer had for ideas.

I say that we should change what the dragonslayer feat provides at first level. I say something like.. Dragonslayer, +2 bonus to smell and hearing checks, +2 to a chosen stat and 1 dragonslayer feat every third level.

One of the most iconic abilities that the DS possess is the ability to eat their element. This should be fairly easy to make into a game mechanic.
Ex. Bob throws a fireball at Gary (a fire DragonSlayer) and the fireball would deal.. 50 points of damage. Now Gary could eat the fireball and either restore 50 points of hp (1:1) or 10 points of magic (at a rate of 5:1)

Of course I don't know if that is overpowered or not. Maybe have the ability to eat a chosen element scale with level or something?

But that also leads us to the elemental immunity that all dragonslayers have. I am certain that we should not aim to give them immunity but how about a scalin elemental resistance? something like.. 5 per level or something along those lines.


If I remember Traumatizer talked about adding secondary effects to dragon roars (or something like that) and I have been thinking (very briefly) on what that could be. So tell me what you think:
Fire - Ignite things/people
Iron - higher DR
Sky - Ignore DR
Lightning - Higher damage when outdoors/you can see the sky
Poison - you deal 1% of your damage as con damage (min. 1)
Light - more damage when it's light?
Shadow - More damage when it is dark?


Then of course we have the lovely talk about tiers of magic. Natsu could eat normal fireballs but not fire made from the godslayer (well.. he could once his magic was depleted if I recall). So I thought of implementing a magic tier. Like you can eat your tier and below.
So far we know of 4 and I have placed them in this order (though I am uncertain of God and Demon magic. Should they be similar in tier?)
And here they are from highest and going down to lowest

Demon - fire demonslaying magic
God - fire godslaying magic
Dragon - fire dragonslaying magic
Normal - a fireball

[G3AR]

I think the absorption sounds pretty balanced, but I think the tiers should be like so:

Normal - Element created by natural means (A lighter for instance)

Magic- Element created by magical means (A Fireball or Creation Magic for instance)

Dragon - Element created by a Dragon or a Dragon Slayer

God - Element created by a God or a God Slayer

Demon - Element created by a Demon or a Demon Slayer

Now if the element is not part of any sort of attack, for instance a camp fire, the healing should work in some other way, perhaps based on the supply (Example: 2d6 per cubic feet, or maybe it could scale with levels, such as Half Level d6 per cubic feet)

I also believe there shouldn't be any immunities involved, so I have to agree with your idea for the Scaling Elemental Resistance, but I think that the damage taken from the said element should be non-lethal

Furthermore I can't quite see how/why a Dragon Slayer would gain bonus to statistics, but I do agree with the hearing and the smelling, but maybe that's just me

And last but not least, I think we shouldn't really limit the choices to only what we've seen in the anime/manga, for instance if let's say I wanted to play as an Ice Dragon Slayer, I should be allowed to as long as the GM approves the element I chose, but that would make the secondary effects pretty hard to implement, or we could just leave it to the GM but have a preset board of secondary effects of the Dragon Slaying Magic we've already seen

[niro]

Well we could always make a list of elements and what their secondary effect would be. I could imagine ice would have some sort of slowing effect. Like for every attack an ice DS would cause would slow enemies by 10 feet. Then if you reduced people to negative their movement speed they would start to freeze/transform into an icecube.


When it comes to eat normal elements like.. air, campfires, tidalwaves etc. how about the damage/healing/magic power you regain would be based on the size? Like a campire would be small and therefore would heal.. 1d6. and then from each size category you would go up, you would add another d6


For the dragonslayer feat I just added the +2 to a stat for it to be more like what Traumatizer envisioned. We could just give them a bonus to hearing and smelling.

[G3AR]

I guess that could work just fine, I still think there shouldn't be any stat bonuses though. Let's see what Ravenous thinks (or anyone who wants to contribute to the making of this for that matter )

Also, I'll post my ideas for the creation magic eventually, even though it is pretty simplistic

[niro]

there is nothing wrong with simplistic stuff It just means that more will understand how it works

[G3AR]

Creation Magic Ideas

So creation magic (at least based on my opinion and ideas) should be more about thinking something clever on the spot, rather than relying on fixed feats and abilities. Keep in mind this is just an idea, so feel free to fix any numbers you don't find balanced and make sure to correct any errors I made as far as the rules go

Cost Board
Fine: 10
Diminutive: 50
Small: 100
Medium: 200
Large: 300
Huge: 500
Gargantuan: 1000
Colossal: 2000



Creation Stance:"Element of Choice"[/b]
You are trained in creation magic in the element of your choice, allowing you to create up to small size constructs out of the element of your choice. Elements created by a Creation Magic Wizard belong to the Magic Element tier. Creating a bigger/smaller version of a construct multiplies/divides accordingly the final cost by 2 for each size category*. Constructs you make have the hardness of the element you are using +Character level. You may spend 10 Magical Power to increase the hardness by 1 each time. Creating a construct using this feat takes a Move Action

*If someone wanted to create a Huge Greatsword (a normal Greatsword is a Large Construct) and wanted to add 2 hardness to it, that would cost (300+20)x2=640

Magic Builder
You can now create Medium size constructs. You can take this feat multiple times, each time increasing the allowed final size category of the construct by one stage

Free-Hand Creation
You can now create constructs without initiating the Creation Stance. Creating a Construct this way causes the construct to be weaker and hence have half its final hardness. Also, weapons made with this technique deal half damage. Creating a construct using this feat takes a Swift Action

Animate Creations
You can spend 50 Magical Power to give motion to your creations allowing you to control them. Creations made this way are not alive and are still constructs with normal hardness.

Creation Affinity
You are proficient with weapons made by your magic. Your attack rolls with a weapon you created through your creation magic, are now favored

Enhanced Creation
You may now add enchantments and traits to your creation as a Fullbring (See Core Bleach D20 Classless System book page 39)

[niro]

how do mages increase their magic?
I mean.. can they use reiatsu feats but refluffed to seem more magical or are we going to find some cool way to get tons of mana?

[G3AR]

I guess we could modify the Reiatsu calculation, or just make most of the feats Magic feats. Both could work

Also, what do think of my ideas?

[niro]

it seems easy enough to figure out. But how do you figure out what is what size? Like how the greatsword is large and all that?
Do you get any +damage feats? Or are you going to be a lvl 20 ice creation mage who does 2d6+str in damage?

Other than that I really like it.
But when creating animals.. How do you decide on stats, special attacks and such? Like if I wanted to make a horse in ice. I would guess that it would be a large construct but what about stats? Speed, can I give it a dragons mouth and let it breathe frost? These are the things I need to know how I can do

[G3AR]

www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?195859-Item-Sizes

This is where I based the size categories.

About the damage, I thought of a feat that I forgot to add and so I will eventually This feat will allow you to add enchantments/enchantment bonus as per fullbring. Also as I said, its about thinking of something clever, For instance, you could create a Gargantuan Boot to stomp the enemy, its all about creativity, the only limit is the sky as my GM says to through skype

A horse would have the speed a normal horse would and you could add the breathing as per "DM may allow particular powers emulating original effects" from the fullbring board

[niro]

so.. what is stopping me from making an ice tarrasque if I just need to be able to get the size right?

How about only being able to "summon"/create creatures equal to your HD?

[ravenous]

Hey guys, sorry about jumping in so late. Work and family and all. I Like where ya'll are going with the work so far. Something I have always wanted to adjust though... So far each of the magic types is exclusive from others, meaning if you use this magic, you cannot use any other type of magic. I am wondering if we can remove this restriction due to some of the magic have so few spells. Some mages in Fairy Tail can use multiples types of magic. What do you think?

[niro]

I am all for it.
Magic should be for everyone

[ravenous]

So this is what I am figuring we do... We seem to already be on the right track. Below is the list of magics in Fairy Tail. Some have already been started such as heavenly body magic. Tackle it a bit at a time?

Caster Magic

Elemental Magic
Acid Magic
• Air Magic
• Airspace
• Darkness Magic
• Devil Slayer Magic
• Ice Devil Slayer Magi
c • Earth Magic
• Fire Magic
• Ice-Make
• Ice Magic
• Light Magic
• Lightning Magic
• Memory-Make
• Molding Magic
• Plant Magic
• Purple Flare
• Rainbow Fire
• Sand Magic
• Sandstorm
• Shadow Magic
• Snow Magic
• Tear Magic
• Water Magic
• Water
• Thread Magic
• Wind Magic
• Wood-Make
• Wool Magic
Creating Magic
Amaterasu
• Archive
• Binding Magic
• Black Arts
• Bomb Magic
• Bullet Magic
• Chain Magic
• Egg Magic
• Fairy Magic
• Green Magic
• Heavenly Body Magic
• Ice-Make
• Illusion Magic
• Living Magic
• Maximum Defense Seal
• Memory-Make
• Molding Magic
• Solid Script
• Vegetable Magic
• Wood-Make
Transforming Magic
Animal Soul
• Beast Soul
• Copy Magic
• Drill 'n Rock
• Flattening Magic
• Gravity Change
• Iron Dog
• Machina Soul
• Needle Magic
• Polygon Magic
• Satan Soul
• Shikigami Magic
• Take Over
• Titan
• Transformation
Area Effect Magic
Concealment Magic
• Dancer
• Gravity Magic
• Jutsu Shiki
• Legend of City
• Muscle Speak
• Nullification Magic
• Phasing Magic
• Reflector
• Slowing Magic
• Terrain Effect Magic
Eye Magic
Demon's Eye
• Figure Eyes
• Heaven's Eyes
• Stone Eyes
Other Caster Magic
Absorption Magic
• Aera
• Animal Possession
• Ankhseram Black Magic
• Black Arts
• Body Restriction Magic
• Crash
• Curse Magic
• Dark Écriture
• Dark Regulus
• Devil Slayer Magic
• Disassembly Magic
• Dispelling Magic
• Doll Attack
• Dragon Supremacy Magic
• Egg Knock
• Hair Magic
• High Speed
• Human Possession
• Law of Retrogression
• Letter Magic
• Magical Drain
• Memory Control
• Mimic
• Mirror Magic
• Organic Link Magic
• Orient Solid Script
• Palm Magic
• Possession Magic
• Rapture Magic
• Regulus
• Requip
• Seith Magic
• Sleep Magic
• Sound Magic
• Telekinesis
• Telepathy
• Teleportation Magic
• Territory
• The Knight
• The Gunner
• Thought Projection
• Vehicle Magic
• Wave
• Writing Magic

Holder Magic

Weapon-based Magic
Anti-Link
• Edolas Items
• Guns Magic
• Orient Solid Scrip
• Storm Magic
• Sword Magic
Item-based Magic
Angel Magic
• Card Magic
• Celestial Spirit Magic
• Command Magic
• Dog Whistle Magic
• Edolas Items
• Fortune Telling
• Guitar Magic
• Jet Magic
• Paper Magic
• Perfume Magic
• Personification Magic
• Pict Magic
•Plant Magic
• Sleep Magic
• Smoke Magic
Wearing-based Magic
Athletic Magic
• Charm
• Ring Magic
• Slot Magic
• Urumi

Lost Magic

Caster Magic
Arc of Embodiment
• Arc of Time
• Dragon Slayer Magic
• Fire Dragon Slayer Magic
• Flame God Slayer Magic
• God Slayer Magic
• Great Tree Arc
• Human Subordination
• Iron Dragon Slayer Magic
• Lightning Dragon Slayer Magic
• Lightning God Slayer Magic
• Maguilty Sense
• Poison Dragon Slayer Magic
• Shadow Dragon Slayer Magic
• Sky Dragon Slayer Magic
• Sky God Slayer Magic
• White Dragon Slayer Magic
Holder Magic
Ushi no Koku Mairi

[niro]

well a lot of those magic classes can be boiled down to "base" feats. Like all of the dragon,demon,god slayers.

But I have been going over Traumatizers dragonslayer feats and have.. edited them a bit. So tell me what you guys think:


(Element) dragon's wing attack (magical, Dragonslayer)
Benefit: The Dragon Slayer makes a 60ft line dealing their level in d6's dealing their types damage attack with a CON based reflex save equal to their level plus CON mod plus 5. This attack costs 150 MP(Reiatsu if your running a cross over game) and takes a standard action to cast or can be done as a part of a full attack.

Greater (element) dragon's wing attack (magical, Dragonslayer)
Prerequisites: Wing Slash of the X Dragon
Benefit: The Dragon Slayer now adds his CON mod in d6's to this attacks damage also the range of the line attack is now 90ft.

Superior (element) dragon's wing attack (magical, Dragonslayer)
Prerequisites: Greater Wing Slash of the X Dragon
Benefit: The Dragon Slayer now deals his level plus CON mod in d6's of their types


(Element) dragon's roar (magical, Dragonslayer)
The Dragon Slayer gains the breath attack of their chosen type which deals 1d6 every second level . The breath attack is a 30ft line with a 1d4 round cool down and using this ability is a standard action.

Greater (element) dragon's roar (magical, Dragonslayer)
Prerequisites: Breath of the X Dragon
Benefit: The Dragon Slayer's breath attack is now a 60ft line.

Superior (element) dragon's roar (magical, Dragonslayer)
Prerequisites: Greater (element) dragon's roar
Benefit: The Dragon Slayer's breath attack now deals 1.5 times their level damage as well as adding their types secondary effects.


(Element) dragon sword horn(magical, Dragonslayer)
Benefit: The Dragon slayer makes a unarmed touch attack as a standard or part of a full attack action. If the attack hits they deal an additional 1d6 for every two levels they have of their type damage and sends the target 60ft up in the air if they fail a strength check with a DC of the Dragon Slayer's level plus CON mod plus 5. This ability cost's 100 Magic points(Reiatsu if your running a cross over game)

Greater (element) dragon sword horn(magical, Dragonslayer)
Prerequisites: Sword Edge of the X Dragon
Benefit: The Dragon Slayer now adds his CON mod in d6's to the attacks damage

Superior (element) dragon sword horn (magical, Dragonslayer)
Prerequisites: The damage of Sword Edge of the X Dragon is now his level in d6's and his CON mod in d6's to damage. The attacks launch effect is now 120ft and adds the Dragon Slayers secondary effects to the attack.


and I am thinking of making dragonslayer prestige paths to further specialize in elements and such. As in if you were to play a sky DS. You could go around and spam sky dragons roar or you could go into the Sky Dragon prestige path and learn supporting/buffing magics. A shadow DS would go into the Shadow Dragonslayer class and learn how to travel in the shadows and form weapons out of shadows.

Also.. should we include the ability to turn into a dragon via the dragonification? And thereby let people become like Acnologia?

[G3AR]

Anyone is able to use two types of magic. Ultear did. However I think it should be a Prestige path which you can follow as many times as you wish, the levels you take in that Prestige will determine how skilled you are in using that kind of magic, meaning 5 levels is a fully mastered magic type

I thought of it like this:

Alternate Path: "Magic Type"

1:"Magic Type" Basic Training: You now have a racial feat of a different type of magic, allowing you to use the basics of that type. However you are not eligible to take any more feats from the type feat tree

2:"Magic Type" Rookie: One feat from the Magic Type tree you are currently training in

3:"Magic Type" Novice: One feat from the Magic Type tree you are currently training in

4:"Magic Type" Expert: One feat from the Magic Type tree you are currently training in

5:"Magic Type" Mastery: You now have the full access to the feat tree of the Magic Type you were training in

[G3AR]

As for the "summons", they are practically an animated "Dancing" construct (meaning that it is a creation with the dancing enchantment), meaning it does not have an HD If the hardness of it is overpowered, it gets destroyed. Also, nothing keeps you from making an ice Tarrasque, maybe your magical power pool or the lack of feats , as I said, creation magic is only limited to ones imagination

[niro]

so the constructs are fair easy to destroy right?
But would my ice tarrasque have the same stats as a normal tarrasque (except for hp and DR I guess)?


Also I played a little with the idea of making the different dragonslayer kinds into classes to further specialize in them and to learn secret DS techniques so.. tell me what ya think

Iron dragonslayer
1 Scales of the iron dragon: You are the iron dragon. As an iron dragonslayer your skin is much tougher than others. You gain a bonus to your DR equal to your HD.

2) Karma demon: Iron spiral: a specialised attack that attacks one point and ignores DR. Must do a jump check first and then target a special location of the enemy (-4 attack bonus) then you deal half your level in d6's

3 Steel dragon: By consuming carbon you are temporarily able to transform into a steel dragonslayer. All of your iron dragonslayer magic is increased from d6 to a d8 and your DR is doubled.
This form can be maintained for 1+con mod minutes.

4) Karma demon: Iron god sword: You gain an attack that deals your level in D6's plus your level in damage. The user is left exhausted after usage

5) Dual type dragonslayer form: You gain the Dual Type feat for free. If you already have that feat you double the time you can be in this form

[G3AR]

And lastly, I think we should make the "Superior" modes of the DS attacks For the Epic level characters

I also have a really basic idea of how the Celestial Magic should work. Basically the spirits are fixed characters, that scale based on the wizard's level. So while a Zodiac might be over powered in the right hands, it is accordingly strong on a low level wizzard. So I'm going to create the zodiacs along with my GM and further explain how we think the scaling should work, as well as a couple of feats for that type.

I also had a couple more ideas on how the DS generations should work

[niro]

I would love to hear some more DS stuff

[G3AR]

Alright, so I updated the Creation Magic ideas by adding the feat I mentioned some time ago

Basically my idea was, a DS may choose if he is a first generation DS, or a second generation DS, and that would not make any difference. However, if he was a first generation, and happens to gain access to the according laccrima, or if he was a second generation and happens to be trained by the according dragon afterwards, he should gain a bonus feat called "3rd Generation Dragon Slayer". That feat should either allow him access to certain epic DS feats, or increase his DS abilities one way or another.

[niro]

Seems interesting.
1st generation is those that were taught by dragons right?
2nd generation was those that used the laccrima and 3rd were.. a mix of the two? or something?

I have been playing with the idea of making a primal dragonslayer class that was 1st generation exclusive. Well 1st generation and not having a dragon sleeping within.
The class would make your DS abilities better but also have a chance to transform you into a dragon (which would attack anyone in sight) but I still haven't figured out how to balance it.

[G3AR]

I have not read the manga or seen the anime to that point actually so you would know better I guess xP

[niro]

well my primal dragonslayer path is more of a "what if" class.
In the anime/manga dragonslayers apparently can turn into dragons when they use their powers but (and this is a spoiler)









In all of the main dragonslayers there have been dragons sleeping. These dragons have made antibodies against the so called dragonification. So basically Natsu and co. won't turn into dragons.

I just took that idea and played with it. But turning into a dragon is kinda.. well it is kinda high leveled I guess.

[G3AR]

As much as it pains me to say, I think we should put that aside for now... Let's see how the rest will turn out and adjust it accordingly, including the sad possibility of having to not include it.

As for all the types, I think we should just make the basics like DS, Creation, Equip, Celestial, Element (such as water, air, fire, earth), Take Over and so on, gather as many ideas, and hopefully merge all that into a pdf, and then if we arent satisfied we could either make some of the rest into another supplement. The Other Idea I had is that we could make some of those types into stand alone feats which you can get by starting a prestige or something

[niro]

Well Requip magic seems kinda easy. It is just about storage space right?
We see Erza buy all sorts of armors and weapons which she just stores in her pocket dimension.

I say that you gain a new weapon or armor every 2nd level built like a fullbringers weapon but just using the Requip users level instead of spellscore.

[G3AR]

And you can simply increase your storage by using feats xP nothing major really.

[niro]

Yeah. The fun will be making classes that make them even better

But let's see: We have creation magic (I say we need some guidelines in what we can do and maybe some more rules but it is basically perfect the way it is.
Requip is hilariously easy to both rule and make.

How about we hear some ideas on what to do with celestial spirit magic-users like Lucy?

[ravenous]

Actually, I kinda like Traumatizer's system for celestial spirit magic. Or have a system similar to Bounto dolls for summoms? Yay/nay?

[niro]

So you just summon a high leveled character?

I'd rather you could summon... let's say Leo. Then there would be 4 different versions of Leo. A lvl 5,10,15 and 20. So you would always summon a spirit that was near your level.

Naturally your level 1-5 would summon a lvl 5 Leo, lvl 6-10 would be Leo lvl 10 etc.

The problem with that.. well it would be like having a party of level 1s and then that one dude who played before and can basically solo encounters.. So.. yeah.

Should celestial mages use their magic for keeping summons in this world? I guess it would counterbalance the whole having a high leveled character in the group if you could only summon him for a couple of rounds before your magic runs out